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Feb 10, 2011 11:43 |  #1

I want to buy my first studio kit. I really don't know much about it...

Since I'm in Europe, Alienbees are out of the race.. Must be a product easily bought around here.

I'm looking at the D-Lite-it 4 To Go kit from Enlichrom.

From the official page, i see that the kit has:

  • EL-Skyport ECO Transmitter is included in each D-Lite it set.
  • EL-Skyport Receiver built-in for triggering and Frequency Channel settings
  • (...)
1. This means the kit comes with triggers? No need for others, like Cactus? (I just want to be 100% sure)

2. Besides a dSRL (dah) and this kit, do I need some other accessory to start shooting?

3. I want a battery pack also. I read about the Explorer XT (external link). But which one is recommended?
  • Tronix Explorer-XT 1200W 220V (291930)
  • Tronix Explorer-XT SE 2400W 220V (291935)
If you have any other considerations that i should have in mind, let me know.
Thank you.

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Feb 10, 2011 12:14 |  #2

To help answer your question


  1. You don't need additional triggers, etc. Receivers are built into the lights and you have the ECO transmitter.

  2. No other accessories are needed. You'll might eventually want more modifiers and accessories, but you can shoot right out the box.

  3. Not too familiar with battery packs but from what I'd read, people will probably suggest your second option, the Explorer-XT SE.



  
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Feb 10, 2011 12:22 |  #3

canongrip wrote in post #11815845 (external link)
3. I want a battery pack also. I read about the Explorer XT (external link). But which one is recommended?
  • Tronix Explorer-XT 1200W 220V (291930)
  • Tronix Explorer-XT SE 2400W 220V (291935)

I don't have any battery pack experience, so I'm just going by what I've read, but you might want to double-check the use of this battery pack with those Elinchrom strobes. I read (somewhere, can't remember) that these strobes are dual-voltage and, as such, can't be used with "most" battery packs. Again, I don't know if this is the case, but you should check this out before taking the plunge and, worse yet, possibly damaging your new strobes.


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Feb 10, 2011 12:27 |  #4

I can attest to the fact that the Explorer XT 1200w is compatible with my Elinchrom D-Lite 4 strobes. It will pop both of them more times than you might ever fire them in a single shooting without running out of power. GREAT unit!

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Feb 10, 2011 12:48 |  #5

I can attest that the Explorer XT SE will fry bx-ris and if you use two d-lites then it causes recycling issues as the lcd goes blank and strobes often beep twice. I believe that Innovatronix recommends only using one bi-voltage strobe but perhaps that's changed. And it's quite possible that I had a defective Explorer XT SE but it ran 4 alien bees without issue and also ran 2 genesis 400 strobes.

And the included portalite softboxes are the cheapest pieces of crap I've ever seen. You might want to pick up some decent light modifiers but other than that you should be good to go.




  
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Feb 10, 2011 13:07 |  #6

you could be a little more specific on the XT and Dlite issues... both Dlite 4s have to be at full power before you experience a power glitch that recycles both dlites. Using them with 1 unit at full and the other at anything less than full did not exhibit the same issues.


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Feb 10, 2011 13:26 |  #7

hawk911 wrote in post #11816385 (external link)
you could be a little more specific on the XT and Dlite issues... both Dlite 4s have to be at full power before you experience a power glitch that recycles both dlites. Using them with 1 unit at full and the other at anything less than full did not exhibit the same issues.

The lcd would blank out at any power setting instead of flashing like they do when on AC. With mine anything over a power setting of ~5 would cause the lcd to blank out then beep and start flashing the power setting on the lcd before beeping another time with a constant power reading to indicate they were ready to fire. And the strobes would not recycle at the same time so there was always 4 beeps. One strobe would beep, then the second, then the first, then the second. One strobe never recycled first and then let the second recycle. But I did not extensively test the d-lites as I had previously fried the bx-ris and was not inclined to experience a repeat scenario. But for whatever reason I think that the strobes are switching between 230v and 100v and it damages them. Using only one strobe and it works without any issues.




  
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Feb 10, 2011 13:37 |  #8

i just had 2 Dlite 4s on my XT without issue, but neither was at full power.

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Feb 10, 2011 14:22 |  #9

Thank you all.


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Feb 10, 2011 20:42 as a reply to  @ canongrip's post |  #10

I have the explorer xt se and I also have had no problems with the Dlite 4 IT.


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Feb 10, 2011 21:56 |  #11

another vote for explorer xt se
used at full power with dlite4 + dlite2 with alot of juice left after session




  
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Feb 10, 2011 23:07 |  #12

yeah you need to make sure the battery pack is for the bivoltage strobes


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Feb 12, 2011 06:34 |  #13

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Feb 12, 2011 07:03 |  #14

emitecaps wrote in post #11816235 (external link)
I can attest that the Explorer XT SE will fry bx-ris and if you use two d-lites then it causes recycling issues as the lcd goes blank and strobes often beep twice. I believe that Innovatronix recommends only using one bi-voltage strobe but perhaps that's changed. And it's quite possible that I had a defective Explorer XT SE but it ran 4 alien bees without issue and also ran 2 genesis 400 strobes.

And the included portalite softboxes are the cheapest pieces of crap I've ever seen. You might want to pick up some decent light modifiers but other than that you should be good to go.

I'm not sure why you keep making this blanket statement. The fact that you may have had a failure does not indicate a real issue or something to warn others about.

If someone were to read your post they would have the wrong impression. There are no known issues and the design of the XT SE is such that is will properly handle the bi-voltage power supply.

It's unfortunate that you had a bad experience but your single experience should not be tossed about as fact or as something others could expect, or a reason to stay away from the Explorer XT SE.

Nothing is perfect and we have no way of knowing whether the problem was in the XT SE or the strobe.

To date, after several years of using the XT and XT SE and working with others that use these batteries on a daily basis I can say without question that your experience is unique and does not reflect the opinion or experience of others.

You just had some bad luck but let's not turn it into another false internet rumor.


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Feb 12, 2011 10:27 |  #15

TMR Design wrote in post #11827408 (external link)
I'm not sure why you keep making this blanket statement. The fact that you may have had a failure does not indicate a real issue or something to warn others about.

If someone were to read your post they would have the wrong impression. There are no known issues and the design of the XT SE is such that is will properly handle the bi-voltage power supply.

It's unfortunate that you had a bad experience but your single experience should not be tossed about as fact or as something others could expect, or a reason to stay away from the Explorer XT SE.

Nothing is perfect and we have no way of knowing whether the problem was in the XT SE or the strobe.

To date, after several years of using the XT and XT SE and working with others that use these batteries on a daily basis I can say without question that your experience is unique and does not reflect the opinion or experience of others.

You just had some bad luck but let's not turn it into another false internet rumor.

Hence why I state that it could have been a defective unit or some other aberrant issue and might not be indicative of the experience of others. However, after contacting Innovatronix they said that they did not recommend running multiple bivoltage strobes off their packs. Additionally, Elinchrom also does not recommend running their strobes off battery packs as they aren't "constructed for it" and recommends buying the Ranger series. I asked each company if they wanted to inspect their products for faults but both declined as they felt the fault lay with the other company's product. Since neither recommended using the products in the manner I was they felt no need to address the issue. This didn't sit well with me and as such I recount the experience, perhaps to ad nauseam. However, I should tempter my disdain as I do understand how a few incidents can lead to unsubstantiated claims of product unreliability. One only has to look at he absurd "vagabond will burn your house or studio down" nonsense to realize how much people blow things out of proportion. :)




  
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