Approve the Cookies
This website uses cookies to improve your user experience. By using this site, you agree to our use of cookies and our Privacy Policy.
OK
Index  •   • New posts  •   • RTAT  •   • 'Best of'  •   • Gallery  •   • Gear  •   • Reviews
Guest
New posts  •   • RTAT  •   • 'Best of'  •   • Gallery  •   • Gear  •   • Reviews
Register to forums    Log in

 
FORUMS Canon Cameras, Lenses & Accessories Canon EF and EF-S Lenses 
Thread started 13 Feb 2011 (Sunday) 11:00
Search threadPrev/next
sponsored links
(this ad will go away when you log in as a registered member)

cheap kitlens 18-55 IS vs 17-85 IS canons

 
datadump
Goldmember
Avatar
1,932 posts
Joined Oct 2007
Location: Canada
     
Feb 13, 2011 11:00 |  #1

Is the lastes 18_55 IS kitlens considered generally better than the older 17-85 efs IS lens?

The 17-85 seems to have a bad rep around here and there.


datadump

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
sponsored links
(this ad will go away when you log in as a registered member)
borism
Goldmember
Avatar
3,414 posts
Gallery: 6 photos
Likes: 145
Joined Jul 2008
Location: Florida, Weston
     
Feb 13, 2011 11:06 |  #2

Do a bit of search
The 17-85 is bad mouth by many that haven't even had a 17-85
The 17-85 is a fine consumer lens, it has good IQ, Image Stabilization, USM AF, full time focus ring, great range, and reliable
The 18-55 IS is also a fine lens but lack many of this characteristics
Its downfalls are a bit of distortion on the wide end and that is a slow aperture lens (as expected on many consumer lens)
Other than that at the great price you can find this lens it makes great images and i think is a good value IMO
I haven't seen the newer vers 2 of the 18-55IS, I heard its only difference is cosmetic and a better IS system
Look at the image section of this lens and you'll find many great examples


CANON 6D - SONY A6000

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
watt100
Cream of the Crop
14,021 posts
Likes: 29
Joined Jun 2008
     
Feb 13, 2011 11:20 |  #3

datadump wrote in post #11834395 (external link)
Is the lastes 18_55 IS kitlens considered generally better than the older 17-85 efs IS lens?

The 17-85 seems to have a bad rep around here and there.

yes, the 18-55IS kit lens is definitely sharper than the 17-85IS on a crop model
see:
http://www.the-digital-picture.com …omp=0&FLIComp=3​&APIComp=2 (external link)
or
www.photozone.de (external link)




  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
DC ­ Fan
Cream of the Crop
Avatar
5,880 posts
Gallery: 3 photos
Likes: 49
Joined Oct 2005
     
Feb 13, 2011 12:00 as a reply to  @ watt100's post |  #4

In actual use, a Canon 18-55mm image stabilizer lens generated these pictures.

IMAGE NOT FOUND
IMAGE IS A REDIRECT OR MISSING!
Byte size: ZERO | Content warning: NOT AN IMAGE


IMAGE NOT FOUND
IMAGE IS A REDIRECT OR MISSING!
Byte size: ZERO | Content warning: NOT AN IMAGE


IMAGE NOT FOUND
IMAGE IS A REDIRECT OR MISSING!
Byte size: ZERO | Content warning: NOT AN IMAGE


The 18-55 IS lens had no problems generating these images. There's nothing to worry about when using the lens.



  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
LeeRatters
Goldmember
Avatar
4,690 posts
Likes: 2116
Joined Aug 2009
Location: Bristol, UK
     
Feb 13, 2011 12:40 |  #5

i actually found the 17-85mm the better of the two - all IMO of course :)


>> Flickr << (external link)


>> Instagram<< (external link)

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
datadump
THREAD ­ STARTER
Goldmember
Avatar
1,932 posts
Joined Oct 2007
Location: Canada
     
Feb 13, 2011 12:57 |  #6

watt100 wrote in post #11834498 (external link)
yes, the 18-55IS kit lens is definitely sharper than the 17-85IS on a crop model
see:
http://www.the-digital-picture.com …omp=0&FLIComp=3​&APIComp=2 (external link)
or
www.photozone.de (external link)

oh of course.. the digital picture comparo site .. thx.
that new kitlens is ridiculously better than the 17-85.

i'm just looking for a solution for my wife's camera.. i just bought her a rebel body. i was gonna put on my 24-105L but she says its just too heavy. so she wants a super compact/light lens.

so she wants a zoom plus a lens that has shallow dof

1) a std zoom
and
2) a fast std prime 35mm f/2 28mm f/2.8


datadump

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
DazJW
Senior Member
Avatar
319 posts
Joined Jan 2010
Location: Teesside
     
Feb 13, 2011 13:00 |  #7

I replaced my 18-55mm IS with a 17-85mm IS USM and other than the fact it felt a lot better to hold (I have big hands) and it having USM (I like proper focusing rings, full time manual and the fast USM autofocus itself) I didn't like it.
There was just something about the images I was getting from it that didn't look right so I replaced it with a 28-105mm f/3.5-4.5 II USM which I've been much happier with. Though that's probably not an option for most people with it only going as wide as 28mm, I'm not a fan of the wide angle look so I'm okay with it.

This was all purely based on 'feeling', I haven't sat and done chart tests or trawled through other people's lens tests.

I'm sure the 17-85mm can produce great images in the right hands but I just didn't click with it for some reason.




  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
borism
Goldmember
Avatar
3,414 posts
Gallery: 6 photos
Likes: 145
Joined Jul 2008
Location: Florida, Weston
     
Feb 13, 2011 15:37 |  #8

watt100 wrote in post #11834498 (external link)
yes, the 18-55IS kit lens is definitely sharper than the 17-85IS on a crop model
see:
http://www.the-digital-picture.com …omp=0&FLIComp=3​&APIComp=2 (external link)
or
www.photozone.de (external link)

Interesting when you change the focal range to 50 look at the result:

http://www.the-digital-picture.com …omp=0&FLIComp=4​&APIComp=1 (external link)

My point is both lens will give you very nice pictures IMHO
If your wife likes the 18-55 range and is good enough for her, get the 18-55, is smaller and lighter.


CANON 6D - SONY A6000

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
watt100
Cream of the Crop
14,021 posts
Likes: 29
Joined Jun 2008
     
Feb 13, 2011 16:06 |  #9

borism wrote in post #11835853 (external link)
Interesting when you change the focal range to 50 look at the result:

http://www.the-digital-picture.com …omp=0&FLIComp=4​&APIComp=1 (external link)

.

you're looking different focal lengths and different apertures in that link
fail !

same focal length, same aperture, same camera
http://www.the-digital-picture.com …omp=0&FLIComp=3​&APIComp=1 (external link)




  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
borism
Goldmember
Avatar
3,414 posts
Gallery: 6 photos
Likes: 145
Joined Jul 2008
Location: Florida, Weston
     
Feb 13, 2011 16:16 |  #10

watt100 wrote in post #11836030 (external link)
you're looking different focal lengths and different apertures in that link
fail !

same focal length, same aperture, same camera
http://www.the-digital-picture.com …omp=0&FLIComp=3​&APIComp=1 (external link)

True
There:

http://www.the-digital-picture.com …omp=0&FLIComp=4​&APIComp=1 (external link)
f5.6 on both, cant see at 55 on the 18-55
The point remains IMO


CANON 6D - SONY A6000

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
watt100
Cream of the Crop
14,021 posts
Likes: 29
Joined Jun 2008
     
Feb 13, 2011 16:54 |  #11

borism wrote in post #11836105 (external link)
True
There:

http://www.the-digital-picture.com …omp=0&FLIComp=4​&APIComp=1 (external link)
f5.6 on both, cant see at 55 on the 18-55
The point remains IMO

different focal lengths
fail again !

nice pics (and MTF image resolution data) at
www.photozone.de (external link)


same focal length, same aperture, same camera
http://www.the-digital-picture.com …omp=0&FLIComp=3​&APIComp=1 (external link)




  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
borism
Goldmember
Avatar
3,414 posts
Gallery: 6 photos
Likes: 145
Joined Jul 2008
Location: Florida, Weston
     
Feb 13, 2011 16:58 |  #12

watt100 wrote in post #11836319 (external link)
different focal lengths
fail again !

nice pics (and MTF image resolution data) at
www.photozone.de (external link)


same focal length, same aperture, same camera
http://www.the-digital-picture.com …omp=0&FLIComp=3​&APIComp=1 (external link)

Again my point haven't change if you read my post
Plus no real life difference between 50 to 55 IMO, but I applaud your competitive post


CANON 6D - SONY A6000

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
watt100
Cream of the Crop
14,021 posts
Likes: 29
Joined Jun 2008
     
Feb 13, 2011 17:03 |  #13

borism wrote in post #11836335 (external link)
Again my point haven't change if you read my post
Plus no real life difference between 50 to 55 IMO, but I applaud your competitive post

hint: for other comparable image resolution data on lens (with the same focal length) look here
www.photozone.de (external link)

applause, applause

http://www.the-digital-picture.com …omp=0&FLIComp=3​&APIComp=1 (external link)




  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
Cesium
Goldmember
1,967 posts
Likes: 1
Joined Jun 2009
     
Feb 13, 2011 19:07 |  #14

In my experience with the two: 18-55 is better at the wide end, and 17-85 is better at the long end.




  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
datadump
THREAD ­ STARTER
Goldmember
Avatar
1,932 posts
Joined Oct 2007
Location: Canada
     
Feb 13, 2011 21:14 |  #15

thanks all for the info. i think the latest kitlens with IS seems fairly impressive. and its pretty lightweight. it might fit the requirements for the lady. i still think i'll get her a 35 f/2 on the side...


datadump

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
sponsored links
(this ad will go away when you log in as a registered member)

5,755 views & 0 likes for this thread
cheap kitlens 18-55 IS vs 17-85 IS canons
FORUMS Canon Cameras, Lenses & Accessories Canon EF and EF-S Lenses 
AAA
x 1600
y 1600

Jump to forum...   •  Rules   •  Index   •  New posts   •  RTAT   •  'Best of'   •  Gallery   •  Gear   •  Reviews   •  Member list   •  Polls   •  Image rules   •  Search   •  Password reset

Not a member yet?
Register to forums
Registered members may log in to forums and access all the features: full search, image upload, follow forums, own gear list and ratings, likes, more forums, private messaging, thread follow, notifications, own gallery, all settings, view hosted photos, own reviews, see more and do more... and all is free. Don't be a stranger - register now and start posting!


COOKIES DISCLAIMER: This website uses cookies to improve your user experience. By using this site, you agree to our use of cookies and to our privacy policy.
Privacy policy and cookie usage info.


POWERED BY AMASS forum software 2.1forum software
version 2.1 /
code and design
by Pekka Saarinen ©
for photography-on-the.net

Latest registered member is tlhabiwadd
1227 guests, 248 members online
Simultaneous users record so far is 15144, that happened on Nov 22, 2018

Photography-on-the.net Digital Photography Forums is the website for photographers and all who love great photos, camera and post processing techniques, gear talk, discussion and sharing. Professionals, hobbyists, newbies and those who don't even own a camera -- all are welcome regardless of skill, favourite brand, gear, gender or age. Registering and usage is free.